ICANN Public Forum, Part 1 Monday 29 October 2007 ICANN Meeting - Los Angeles >>VINT CERF: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. We're reconvening now for the first of the open sessions at our meeting here. I'm sorry, we used up some of the 15 minutes we saved earlier trying to get a few technical problems ironed out. This morning's open session is actually quite brief. We have only the president's report, and then an opportunity for people to ask questions. I will point out to you that this is an attempt to restructure the way in which we conduct these meetings so as to reduce the amount of time that you have to spend sitting, listening to reports that you could just as well have read, and, rather, to give much more time to open dialogue and exchange among the participants and operations of the various meetings, committees, and the like. So let me ask Paul whether you are prepared to deliver your report for the 30th meeting. >>PAUL TWOMEY: Yes. Thank you, Vint. I think the answer is, if I'm not, bad luck. Time to be so. As you said, Vint, this new format we now have for the way in which the meetings are conducted has as part of its structure splitting what we had as a public session into two parts. The first part is -- now is basically a full review from the president of a whole range of issues that will be taking place this week, and issues before us, which will allow that to be incorporated into many of the episodes throughout the week. It also means that, frankly, as the president, I have to stop -- I don't have to keep repeating the same speech to each group that I go to. We will make this once and hopefully won't have to keep repeating it to different constituencies. Let me take some time and go through what is actually a very busy agenda for this meeting and of reporting. And to give you some sense, I want to talk a little bit about the strategic plan and operating plan budget cycle, talk about the policy development activities, talk about the new ccTLD accountability frameworks, where we are on that, talk to the registrar accreditation agreement amendments, Internationalized Domain Names, new gTLDs, accountability and transparency initiatives, the regional fellowship program, the operational review panel, Nominating Committee, improvements in the IANA function, I'll make some comments on security and stability, particularly, I think, from the strategic plan context, and also something on the IGF. So as you can see, it's a very full agenda of issues in front of the committee at this stage. We have a process in place for planning in ICANN which consists of strategic planning, which takes place in the six-month cycle from the 1st of June until the end of December, followed up by operational planning and budgeting. This cycle has now been in place for four years. We continue to tweak it and amend it as is considered valuable. One of the pieces of feedback that was received at the end of last year's strategic plan by members of the community -- from the members of the community was that they would like to see the strategic plan move a little more into some specifics of what were the main practical priorities for the community. And you can see the public comment period, which started on 19th of October, and you can see there's a link up behind me in a wonderful pale blue on top of a pale blue, which is not wonderful, but, nevertheless there's a link there calling for the public comment period. So far, in the consultation process and in the draft that's presently being discussed at this meeting, there are a number of objectives identified by the community. First, as I've mentioned already in the opening speech, probably most importantly, implementing Internationalized Domain Names and new generic top-level domains. Secondly, continue to improve core operations. Thirdly, strengthening ICANN's multistakeholder model to manage increasing demands and changing needs. Enhancing security and stability in the Internet's unique identifiers. And strengthening accountability and governance. I would just make the observation, Chairman, that item 3 is an interesting one in the sense that we are finding both in terms of our online mechanisms for communicating and in the sorts of interaction both constituencies and I think, importantly, staff have had in the last 12 months, that there is a whole range of participants or people who are interested in ICANN who are not, if you like, the traditional ICANN community. And that we are seeing a much broader range of people from governments, large corporations, financial services sector, in particular, I think they're probably sort of the main areas, as well as, you know, at-large consumer type of groups as well. But there's been a significant increase in these people who are interested in ICANN who are following what is going on in ICANN in great detail but who are not necessarily attending meetings, who are not necessarily participating in supporting organizations, the constituencies. Clearly, one of the issues in front of us in this, I think, strategic planning period is how do we engage those people more and how do we bring them into the constituency model. But I think also there's a question of actually listening to them and hearing what they're saying. One of the things that certainly that community has been saying, as well as the ICANN community, but one of the things that that group of people have been telling us is that security and stability of the Internet and the domain name system has been a key point of their concerns. >>VINT CERF: Just a small reminder. You need to slow down so that our scribes can keep up with you. Thank you. >>PAUL TWOMEY: Thank you. The operating plan will be updated and revised based on community feedback. It won't be in the San Juan meeting; it'll be in the meeting at New Delhi in February. So there's obviously an error on the slide. Sorry, it will be done -- feedback will be done after this meeting. So we will -- the operating -- the strategic plan will go to the board for finalization at the board meeting in December. When we come into the new part of the year, Doug Brent's commitment has been to amend the present process of operating planning so that the operating plan will also incorporate budgeting, at least at high level, so we will be actually able to give the main operating plan items, including their budget numbers, to allow community feedback and sense of prioritization, what the activity is and how much it costs. And that will be an amendment to the present process that's been underway, which has been to tend to produce the operating plan and then the budget, that will try to merge the two together and try to have that first draft for the community, as I said, end of February. Some of the policy development activities in front of the community -- well, as I said, there's new ccTLD accountability frameworks. And I think I'll talk about that shortly. The GNSO has a range of work that's been underway, supported by staff. One is on WHOIS and data escrow. Clearly, there's work being discussed also about domain name tasting, which is another big interest also from the ALAC. New generic top-level domains, as I mentioned. The transfer policy review, which is presently up for consultation. The contractual conditions discussions taking place in, again, supporting of the new generic top-level domains, the contractual conditions for those contracts. And then the whole new issue of IDNs, which is incredibly important. In the ccNSO, one of the big discussions is about ICANN regions. And we expect to hear at this meeting recommendations from the ccNSO on potential amendments to the regional definitions as it relates to the Country Code Names Supporting Organization only. And, obviously, the other issue that they are in big discussion with the GAC and others is about this issue of internationalized domain names as they apply to CCTLDs, what has been referred to as iccTLDs, or internationalized ccTLDs. The gTLD registry fell failover plan, a key part of ICANN's responsibilities, has been posted on the 20th of October. And that is now available for public report and public consultation. It will not be adopted at this meeting, but we would recommend that the community members who have a concern about those issues have a look at that report. Obviously, one of the big items that continues to be in front of the community both in messaging and in sort of engaging particularly the ISPs and other levels, is the whole issue of transition from an IPv4 network to an IPv6 network, and, in particular, the concerns around IPv4 depletion and ensuring that people do make the move towards incorporating IPv6 into their customer needs in the networks. The -- if you want more information about all the discussions taking place this week, you can go to LosAngeles2007.ICANN.org. And I will remind everybody that we have the public participation site which you can get to off the ICANN site. The public participation site is essentially a Web presence for each of the meetings where you can participate and share notes about what's happening in each of the submeetings taking place this week, even if you're not there. So if you're sitting in one meeting but you want to track what's happening in another meeting, I recommend you go to the public participation site, where you'll be able to track various meetings taking place in realtime. And that's true for people who are here. It's particularly true for people who are in the -- online and who are looking at the video streaming, that they can do that in the public participation site. So a reminder, that's at ICANN.org, and there is a link at the top of the page to public participation site. It's 19 months now since ICANN posted its accountability framework template documents for country code top-level domains. And during the 2007, we've signed accountability frameworks or exchanged letters with a number of ccTLDs. And you will see them there. .NL, .FJ, Puerto Rico, El Salvador, Mongolia, Brazil, Senegal, Armenia, Russian Federation, Cote d'Ivoire, and Libya. Discussions are ongoing with a number of other ccTLDs. I am scheduled to sign three or four of these agreements this week. Chairman, the process of accountability frameworks continues to accelerate, and I think in terms of the number of -- number of Internet -- number of ccTLD domain registrants, we now have these sorts of frameworks in place with over 60% of the world's ccTLD registrants, if you see them as a cascading effort through the ccTLD. A major item of discussion that emerged after the RegisterFly issue earlier this year was the need potentially to make some amendments to the registrar accreditation agreement to ensure better protection for registrants in similar type circumstances. It is not the only response to the RegisterFly situation. And I would make the point that the registrar constituency has been very aware of that good service is the way in which you hook up to your customers. So we do not see the interests of registrars and the issues of registrants necessarily being at variance here at all. And I think we have seen the participation of the registrar constituency, and I particularly would like to thank Jon Nevett for his work in this as the leader of that constituency in terms of working with the ICANN staff and then coming to the board and to the community more generally about potential amendments to the registrar accreditation agreement. There are six amendments presently being proposed. One of them, eliminating the practice of obtaining ICANN accreditation by purchase. This is the mechanism that has taken place where people that don't get accredited by an accredited registrar become the registrar. We're looking at eliminating that practice. That's that everybody who is a registrar has to go through the accreditation process. Improve contractual compliance enforcement tools. Potential group liability of registrars owned by a single entity. So that there is -- ensure that there's a sort of understanding of the practicalities around a group of registrars rather than just the specifics of one to another. There's amendments around private registrations and registrations of data escrow requirements. There's been a lot of detail work on that. The management of reseller relationships has been also a key thing. Registrars who have many resellers, how those relationships operate and importantly, what do the resellers actually communicate to the registrants and the relationship between the registrants and the clarity for the registrants of their rights, if you like, is a key piece of this work. Also looking at the issue of skills testing or certification of registrar personnel. And I think that -- I personally think that's a very important issue. I'm reminded that Microsoft won't let people sell their software unless you've done a Microsoft accreditation. Similarly, we -- understanding what are the rules that apply to a registrar and how the accreditation process works is important, we think, for ongoing stability. This will be discussed in public fora and at a workshop here at the meeting, and the summary of the public comments have been posted on the 23rd of October, and I point you out to that link to those public comments. Internationalized Domain Names has been a major issue we've been discussing for a long time at ICANN. There's been some major milestones. In December 2006, we had the successful laboratory testing of Punycode strings, representing top-level domains inserted into the root zone. The IETF has led efforts to finalize the IDNA protocols. And in October 2007, IANA -- ICANN, through IANA, inserted IDNs into the root zone for evaluation of example.test in 11 languages, Arabic, Persian, Chinese, simplified and traditional, Russian, Hindi, Greek, Korean, Yiddish, Japanese, and Tamil. They're obviously the languages. They use scripts. The scripts are not the same as the languages. I wish to make that point quite clear. There is a WIKI page that has been established to facilitate evaluation and feedback. As I mentioned this morning, people here who wish to avail themselves of that test can do so on machines in the reception area of the hotel, lobby area of the hotel this week. And the feedback is actually very interesting at the moment. We are expecting deployment in context with the new gTLD process and the work being done on internationalized ccTLDs potentially, deployment to take place sometime in 2008. I would expect, in practical terms, in the second half of 2008, not the first half. We suggest you actually look at this evaluation of the test. There is actually on the particular site, there is a little video or YouTube explanation. And then there is -- where we have a lot of people in those languages actually repeating the call sign, if you like, we're using around this initiative, which is, "My name. My language. My Internet." Then the WIKI pages are available at the same time. And I really need to work on changing the colors of the links and the background of the slides, because I don't know about you, but I can't read that link. But there is a link there. We'll get that amended before this presentation is posted. In terms of -- I have mentioned this before, that both the GNSO and the ccNSO and GAC have been working on the policy that would relate to new gTLDs. And the ccNSO and the GAC have been working potentially on way that is how to deal with the policy of looking at ccTLDs within -- looking at IDNs within the ccTLD context. There is some discussion taking place this week of potentially having a faster way to put in place, for some ccTLDs, potentially, an Internationalized Domain Name ccTLD. But Chairman, we expect to hear more this week from the chair of the ccNSO and potentially the chair of the GAC, depending upon how they organize their discussions on this particular set of issues. The GNSO constituencies have developed 19 policy recommendations, and those recommendations can be found again in this completely illegible string, unless you can read that better than I can. But they are available on the Web site. These associated principles and guidelines will guide ICANN into implementing these policies. I am not going to talk to this in great detail. I am going to ask as many of you as possible to please attend this afternoon, the session between 1:00 and 6:00, Los Angeles time. If you are online or watching this by streaming, I would ask you to participate online as much as you can. But the session this afternoon is going to be a presentation by the Generic Names Supporting Organization of nearly two and a half years of work. And very importantly, of a lot of the detail of the questions and the policy discussions that have taken place within that work. The reason I exhort you to attend is that when all of you read those 19 principles, policy principles, you will undoubtedly say, "But what about this?" And what about that and they haven't thought about this and they haven't thought about that. I can report to you that it is very, very likely that in the last two and a half years of discussions they have thought about this and they have thought about that, they have discussed this and they have discussed that -- I am looking at poor Bruce Tonkin here who has been heavily involved with that process. I think that we owe the hard work of that community, the hard work of those constituencies and that Supporting Organization to come and hear them present to us, hear them tell us about those discussions they have had, ask them whether they have considered these questions. Because it's been a lot of thinking and discussion and consensus building taking place to end up with these 19 policy proposals and I think we all ought to hear that discussion. And participate in it, but we really ought to be listening to that work that's been done. Let me move on now to accountability and transparency initiatives. And I think the main Mexico here is that there has been in the last 18 months or less a lot of work that has been done by the ICANN community, particularly by the ICANN board and staff in this particular area. There is a lot more done than you realize, would be my basic message. There's been a lot done in this area of improving transparency and accountability. One has been making the strategic planning operating plan process I think more transparent and amending it in a way the community has asked us to do. I think we have also done quite a deal on streamlining but making very transparent the budgeting plan and the processing. I think a very important move, and one that I have heard much positive feedback from the community, has been an amendment to the way in which the board reports its decision-making, both in terms of expansion of what's included within the board minutes and then the speed in which they are posted. So the board minutes are now posted within 72 hours to the community. We have established an ICANN blog which has been a very useful mechanism for further -- for like less formal ways of communicating to the community about key issues. For instance, during the RegisterFly initiative it was very busy. It was a key way in which to communicate what was going on. And I think that's been very important to open up greater transparency about the thinking of even day-to-day operations as we have dealt with particular issues. The public participation site I have mentioned. We have now moved to newsletters and magazines and I would recommend all of you who have not yet signed up for the ICANN monthly magazine to please do so. Kieren McCarthy, who might be in the room, is the man to see or to explain how to get linked up to the site. But what has been fascinating about that particular newsletter and magazine initiative, as I said before, are the people who are taking it up who are not people who are normally recognized as being attendees of ICANN meetings. And it is a good example, I think, of the wide range of people in the broader community who actually do follow ICANN issues. The One World Trust review was an important part of this process of evaluating how transparent was ICANN. They actually did report back that ICANN was a very transparent organization but made a series of recommendations that we have pretty much followed up and implemented on each of them, Chairman. To quote Paul Levins line, a key part of the initiatives around transparency has been that ICANN has been a transparent organization, but sometimes in the past it's been transparent the same way an insurance premium is transparent. All the information is there. It's just very hard to understand what's in it. So we have been working very hard to try to make the information about what ICANN a doing more accessible. I would make an observation, people may not realize, the ICANN Web site carries about as much content as a medium-sized television network's Web site in the United States. It's about the same size as an affiliate's network, an affiliate's Web site. And we have done some comparisons. So there is enormous amount of content on the ICANN Web site. Making that accessible and making it easier for people to use has been a key priority. This is a very important next initiative that we really would like the community to pay attention to and to give us their feedback. As has been promised in a series of public consultations, we have revised and posted again for public comments ICANN's accountability and transparency framework. And that outlines ICANN's general and financial accountabilities, dispute resolution commitments, a very important set of information disclosure commitments. And, Chairman, I would really like to encourage the community to look at this and look at the commitments ICANN is making about information disclosure. Also commitments around consultation, commitments around translation. And we have seen this meeting utilizing translation. And importantly, and a very key piece of feedback we have received from the community, proposing sets of standards of behavior for people who are participating in the ICANN process. Not just the ICANN board or the ICANN staff, but the ICANN community. A set of standards of behavior as to how we operate together. So this is a very important summation of the accountability and transparency statements and initiatives for ICANN. I exhort you to have a look at that. I exhort you to read it. I exhort you to give us feedback whether you think it's sufficient or not. I exhort you to think about it very carefully, particularly on the accountability ones because it's the first time, I think, that it's been put down all in one place, all of the legal and bylaws and other forms and voting structure types of accountabilities that apply to the ICANN board and ICANN as an organization. And it's actually very easy to read through and just see how detailed those accountability requirements are. The regional fellowship program continues. This is the second meeting where it's been implemented. And just to remind people it I provides financial grants to individuals from developing economies to facilitate participation in ICANN's meetings. The priority is given to low, lower-middle and upper-middle income economies. And that includes -- people who participate are either people from governments, Country Code Top Level Domains or the nonprofit sector not associated with the ALAC, because the ALAC has its own funding mechanism for participation. The participants are from ICANN region in which the meeting is taking place and participants from adjacent regions and overseas participants. So you can see there are a set of priorities, and there is an independent group who actually makes the decision on the applications. This is not done by staff, for instance. There has been 167 applications submitted to date, 58 fellowship awards have been made, 34 attended the San Juan meeting, 24 attending here in Los Angeles, and we have nine already nominated to attend in the New Delhi meeting. There are 22 countries represented among those 24 people participating here in Los Angeles. And 8 are attending an ICANN meeting for the first time. So we continue to think -- we're still looking at this this year. This is a trial program for this year to evaluate, but I think so far, Chairman, it looks so far like it's been reasonably successful. Just an interesting other point that the board has reviewed recently, but I would like to share with the community. The board has been, in its oversight functions, one of the things it's requested is an ongoing process for review of the operations of the operational view of ICANN. So if you think you have financial audits which are a natural part -- which we have independent financial audits, they have also set up a process for ongoing sort of independent operational reviews to look for opportunities for continuous improvement in the way the operations works inside ICANN, particularly in staff functions. And the panel which has been established was chartered in May 2007 to align the performance, particularly with the strategic plan. This panel presently consists of myself and Doug Brent. As president, this is a very important part, very close to my heart, a very important part of what I think I need to do to help lead at the staff function. But a key person who has participated in this is also Hagen Hultzsch, who this year has had a number of roles this year, including with the NomCom. But Hagen, for those of you who know, is a former board member, and a former board member of both Deutsche Telekom and Volkswagen and is a very experienced businessman and has very much helped the staff over a four-day process so far this year in helping us to evaluate what activities are taking place, what processes we have in place, and, importantly, pushing people to understand what their mission is. Specifically, that we are there not to work for a 100 person or 86 person organization, not to work for a 21-person board, not even to work for several thousand people who come for an ICANN. But to remember that our function is there to support a community of 10,000, who then themselves support 1.2 billion users of the Internet. To really get the staff to understand that, and to also understand the importance of pushing for quality improvement as a continuous process within the way in which we operate. So I want people -- we won't go into detail. It's not appropriate that I sit here and give you the full evaluation of the 151 business initiatives we are presently undertaking but I did want people to have a sense that there is a commitment to continuous improvement inside the staff functions. We have a process for independently sort of evaluating and pushing that. And that's a key part of what the board considers to be important for its oversight of good management within the organization. I should just make the point also that when Hagen does this work, he does it for us free, for gratis. He has never asked for remuneration for that. It's part of his ongoing commitment to this vision he has about helping ICANN. Since we are talking about Hagen, just as a reminder as Vint has already pointed out he is now the new chair this year, also, of the Nominating Committee. The result of the NomCom committee review are now available. Of course people can look at that. That's just been posted. Chairman, let me move now quickly to the IANA, which we normally report on. And I wonder if I can share with you an interesting phenomenon, particularly on root zone change requests that we're now seeing. What we are seeing is an increasing number of, how to put it, bundled requests, issues that are bundled together. So, for instance, the introduction of 11 new entries into the root zone in 11 scripts, as an example. An issue of, for instance, groups of glue records requests to be changed where they are in a group of 11 or 18 that have to be all changed at once and require a lot of consultation with the various, often, CCs that are associated with them. Or redelegation requests which have actually been exceptionally complicated, and we have had several of those recently. The consequence of which has been in the root zone management that the number of requests has certainly gone up and that the settling of those requests has tended to become lumpy. And as you see from this chart, if you follow the yellow line, that is the open tickets for TLD requests, and you can see that it grew over time, and then we have had, recently, in the October, suddenly a lot of requests dealt with, and the red line shows a lot of tickets closed. That's been a reflection of this lumpiness. So we had whole groups of requests that went through in groups. So that's just an interesting observation, I think, about some of the changes we are seeing in the root zone environment. The second Internet Governance Forum will take place in Rio de Janeiro in November, and it has set down its four key themes: Critical Internet resources and Internet infrastructure, access and capacity available to developing countries, ICANN's limited defined and global role in the Internet -- oopsy-daisy. This is a change here. These are the points we wanted to make. There are several other topics that are the -- that are actually the themes. One of the -- The community well knows that throughout the world summit for information society and this whole sort of role in the U.N. of Internet governance, there have been people, greater times and lesser times, arguing about the role of ICANN and the role of this community vis-a-vis others who may actually operate these roles. Unlike in Athens, critical Internet resources and Internet infrastructure has come up as an agenda item. A key theme for this coming meeting. We are very proud to go to the ICANN meeting as -- to the IGF meeting as ICANN. But also as part of a very broad Internet community. Regional Internet Registries and NRO, ISOC, country code operations and others who will be there. I think all of us have a very proud story to tell. I think we have got a very good story to tell about the way in which we presently are stewards of this function. I think we have a very proud story to tell about the role we have played in building multistakeholder approaches. Indeed, I think the whole issue -- if I remember the WSIS, in the first two years, I think Theresa and I were the only people saying multistakeholder. By the end of the four-year process everybody was saying multistakeholder. In some respects that became one of the successful themes that came out of the WSIS process. So IGF, in some respects, is a new multistakeholder body, but I would say it's actually taken its lead from this community. It will probably go in different directions but it has taken it's lead, at least, from this community. It will probably go in different directions, but it's taken its lead, at least, from this community. I think also, however, we should be quite clear, the critical Internet resources does not just mean I.P. addresses and domain names. It means a wide range of issues, and we expect there should be a wide range discussion about what is the present status of critical Internet resources. And we think that ICANN's limited and defined and global role is recognized through this process, but we will be reinforcing that that is a narrow role and there are many other people who have tasks to do and responsibilities in this arena. ICANN board members and staff will be attending to participate in various sessions. And I know that others of you, various affiliations, will be in attendance. And as I said, I think we should stand proud, we should stand tall, we should say what we have done, not with any sort of hubris, but we should certainly be confident and engage all there in the IGF about the role we have played in their concerns. So thank you, Chairman. That's a long presentation this time, but I think there's a lot of issues in front of us on the table. [ Applause ] >>VINT CERF: Thank you very much, Paul. Before we break, I would like to just reinforce one or two things. First of all, attendance at the GNSO -- the review of the gTLD process is actually very important. I want to encourage all of you to undertake that, to participate in that discussion. Second, with regard to the planning cycle, the strategic plan and then the operational plan and the budget, it's my understanding that we're going to try to link the budget and the operational planning together so that it's a little clearer during the operational planning phase what the costs are likely to be for various choices. That will help us prioritize, I think. I think it's very important to get feedback from all of you who are interested in the accountability and transparency frameworks. That feedback will be more useful coming sooner rather than later, because it will be an important part of the review of the joint project agreement that will be undertaken in the early part of next year. Apart from that, the only other observation I would make, Paul, is that with regard to the complex changes that are occurring in the IANA root zone file processing, it may very well be a side effect of -- one example is a side effect of a large number of sites that are being served by the same host. And the coordination is required before all of those entries are altered, because the ccTLD operators are all individually consulted and changes are confirmed with each of them. We may have an opportunity to pay attention to the behavior patterns of the various ccTLD or other TLD operators and adapt this process to make it more efficient rather than less efficient as a consequence of these group arrival requests. So I urge staff to start taking advantage of what we see might be a trend in order to make it more efficient. Paul. >>PAUL TWOMEY: I think that's good advice, Vint. I want to reinforce on that particular issue, in operating the IANA function, IANA staff, I think quite appropriately, never go near being proactive in making changes. Changes are made to the root zone only on request. So part of what you are referring to will also be the need to ensure that the requests processes is managed and accelerated. And part of the delay frankly is if I have 18 TLDs on one server, and we get responses from 15 but not from three, the process just stops because we have got to get the request from all. So I think that's part of the problem we need to manage for. >>VINT CERF: My reaction, of course, is that the tactic here is to get the request done sort of ahead of time, somehow. All worked out with the operator who can now present to us a confirmed, authenticated, high integrity request from the group. Anyway, I leave that to IANA to work out. But just paying attention to changing conditions and trying to take advantage of those seems to me a useful tactic. I think we have completed -- oh, I'm sorry, Paul, one more? >>PAUL TWOMEY: I'm sorry, Vint. There's one other point. I should have made it during the presentation. Perhaps I can make it now. I just want to make a point about security and stability as it's come up in discussions. This is an area of growing feedback and interest that we are receiving. I think it's coming up through the strategic planning process, it's coming up through other consultations we are receiving. I think the community should be completely assured that in the consideration of that, that the ICANN board and staff certainly, at least, are completely committed to the ICANN mission and know creep beyond the mission. So that the whole issue of cyber security and security on the Internet is a very, very broad issue. It has lots of players involved in it. There is no way in which ICANN is going to respond to this increased request outside its mission. Although, in the strategic planning process, potentially the operational planning process, some more exploration of how we as a community could potentially do more within our mission may be appropriate, I wanted to reinforce there would be no -- we are very, very concerned about that bright line that sits around our mission statement. >>VINT CERF: Does that mean I should have a T-shirt made that says "No creeps are allowed in the ICANN meetings"? All right. I think we have completed our session for the open forum this morning. I now leave it to all of you to conduct your business until we meet again in open session. We'll call this session to a close. Thank you very much for your participation. [ Applause ]